EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE

Happydad, I printed the full size plan and vinyl decal sheet for various color schemes of coroplast PT 19. Here is the set is ready to mail you.   Please send your postal address with pm, but mail delivery expected about one to two months to USA addresses.

Here is part of a Lodela Cox catalog from 1978 - 1979
ue from the 70´s.

Is that French?...nicht verstehen

OhBee wrote:Is that French?...nicht verstehen

No, it is Spanish. Lodela was a Mexican company with license to sell Cox brand products.

Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !

OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !

Should be, «No sé hablar en el español». (I don't speak Spanish.)

Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.

Timeline for Revell/Lodela https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ?

getback wrote:Timeline for Revell/Lodela  https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline  This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ?

I think it could have been a question of intellectual property rights (patents, licence rights and such). Cox may have developed the model, it looks like it could be manufactured easily and with minimal tooling cost. But another company (Jim Walker and Firebaby maybe?) may have had a US patent for some aspect of the design, making it not possible to market it in the USA. Or, it may have been a ”bought” design that came in an acquisition of another company but someone did not read the small print that may have said ”not to be marketed in the USA”. Certainly a ”DOH” moment and someone had some explaining to do at the next marketing meeting

To minimize the damage and to recoup some of the cost, the model became a part of the Mexican product portfolio, because the design probably was not patented there.

Just a guess, but that kind of stuff happens all the time in other industries.

Better guess than i have LOL

rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.

Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects.

My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.

OhBee, rather I'd think for you it would be, «Lo puedo hablar un poquito en el español» (I can speak a tiny bit in Spanish).

a betancourt wrote:

rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.

Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects. My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.

Given the weirdness of the whole situation, I think it will be an Abby Normal year.

GallopingGhostler wrote:

OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !

Should be, «No sé hablar en el español». (I don't speak Spanish.)

Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.

Yes the Viuda Negra, Black Widow in english, used a Firebaby fuselage. As a kid I had the Lodela Cox Firebaby, it was one of the best flying Cox airplanes. Interesting the Firebaby was not marketed by Cox in the US but it was in Mexico.

Another interesting fact is that the Bell Helicopter that used a Pee Wee 020 was sold in Mexico with a 049, you can read this in the ad.

Regards,

The only Spanish I know I picked up watching westerns! So.....amazed I got THAT close trying to write it!

Here is an ad from Lodela Cox with the FireBaby, I had this plane when I was a kid and really liked it.

I wonder if Keith Morgan and Admin would allow that PT-19 plan to be parked in the "Instruction sheets" section. I don't know how many times I've referred modellers with beginner flying skills to this plan, even on CEF. Same with the Sterling PT-19 modelled in slab wing/profile fuselage here. I always wind up searching for both when someone says "I wish I still had/I wish I could get" a PT-19 to learn with. Or at least have links to them in the same section.

I know resurrection of an old thread, but! Bob, @rsvcox1 (sp?) Since you have preserved several... although NOT a COX engine... Wow! What a cool find! and a vacuum controlled throttle? Hovering?! Vertical takeoff and landing? More skill than I've ever had! This link is for you!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285739412557?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=k9T5SJEFQe-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=IyNssaQSRWi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

C.T.