estes black widow ?

ralfisbird Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:29 pm

Hello I m Mariano , from argentine : I have an anodized black tank and cranckase , large exhaust port , and silver metal backplate , with hexagonal prop plate cox black widow . The question is , can be an estes black widow from 2000 ? , it came with no box , only an engine parts order form of centuri@2000 .

Carl Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:26 am

it sounds like one made before 1983. after 1983 most cox engines came with a plastic back plate in place of the old metal. it could be possible that estes sold that one right after they bought cox in 1996 or someone could have just placed that parts list with your engine when you got it.

**Admin** Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:47 am

Hi Mariano, Carl is correct, It sounds like its a Black Widow made around 1983 because of the metal backplate. In 1996 Estes bought Cox so someone else must have included a parts list from a post 2000 engine with your engine. The post 2000 Black Widows have a black plastic tank assembly with a plain aluminum crankcase like below.

estes black widow ? 1229141936289

ralfisbird Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:15 pm

thanks , i supose the estes part list is not corresponding with that engine . But experts opinion like yours its much better . My starting collection is a KILLER BEE 96 , buyed that year in aero sur Bs As , 049 TEE DEE , TEXACO JR , .051 with red plastic tank tee dee , a 1992 dragonfly , a black widow , a 1960 pee wee 0.2 , a 1985 babe bee , a two ninenty , and other brands engines like mk17 , atwood .049 etc . Congratulations carl and admin for your collections .

**Admin** Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:51 pm

No problem! If you have anymore questions, just ask! Babe Bee .049

John Goddard Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:43 am

Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

nitroairplane Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:53 pm

John Goddard wrote:Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

Probably a pup.
Even the Estes ones use open ports.

John Goddard Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:23 pm

Zute Alors

Sad

nitroairplane Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:40 pm

Ah well if it runs well it runs well regardless.

mr_cox Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:16 pm

John Goddard wrote:Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

Do you mean the exhaust ports?

I got 3 backwidows in my own collection here and from two of them im sure they are genuine cox. they all got the slotted/devided exhaust ports.

Will look tomorrow what my for sale engines have. which are 100% genuine.

Best regards,

Bastiaan

nitroairplane Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:31 pm

Well maybe I only knew that cox made open port ones.
Maybe yours are Estes.

John Goddard Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:08 pm

mr_cox wrote:
John Goddard wrote:Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

Do you mean the exhaust ports?

I got 3 backwidows in my own collection here and from two of them im sure they are genuine cox. they all got the slotted/devided exhaust ports.

Will look tomorrow what my for sale engines have. which are 100% genuine.

Best regards,

Bastiaan

Yeah sloted Ports Bastiaan
Mine seems slightly schizophrenic though, it's def got the pre 83 alloy back plate, but if the
cylinder and head have been changed the 'changee' was very careful with the wrenches
cos I can't see it's been 'spannered'.
Embarassed

nitroairplane Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:39 pm

Maybe they didn't use the wrenches.

**Admin** Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:45 pm

mr_cox wrote:
John Goddard wrote:Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

Do you mean the exhaust ports?

I got 3 backwidows in my own collection here and from two of them im sure they are genuine cox. they all got the slotted/devided exhaust ports.

Will look tomorrow what my for sale engines have. which are 100% genuine.

Best regards,

Bastiaan

Do they have a square shaped cox logo on the back and say anything about Leisure Dynamics?

mr_cox Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:44 am

Okey, now this is what i got:

2 x used black widow, original supplied with a graupner mirage IIIC (1981) SLOTTED (also slotted on manual)
1 x NIB Leisure dynamics with metal tankplate SLOTTED
1 x NIB spider case, metal tankplate Open
3 x NIB 11-12-1988 Santa Ana plastic backplate OPEN

So I guess they are sold both way

John Goddard Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:48 am

Admin wrote:
mr_cox wrote:
John Goddard wrote:Hi Guys
I've been looking at my black widow and wondering what I've
Got.... It's got a cylinder with the port divided,was there such
A version or have I got a pup/bitsa?
J

Do you mean the exhaust ports?

I got 3 backwidows in my own collection here and from two of them im sure they are genuine cox. they all got the slotted/devided exhaust ports.

Will look tomorrow what my for sale engines have. which are 100% genuine.

Best regards,

Bastiaan

Do they have a square shaped cox logo on the back and say anything about Leisure Dynamics?

No J, it's the dirty bronze colour with the

MADE
IN
USA

on it.

mr_cox Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:02 am

I think Jacob meant the box. That is where the leisure dynamics logo should be.

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