Re: TD .010 Tie Clip

roddie Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:19 pm

Hellskells wrote:Well you certainly are a creative bunch...

No extra body holes to make use of and the usual set is probably best left alone as far as engine parts go.

Leaning towards cuff links. Opinions on which model glow head would be the best to use are more than welcome.

If I had a pair... I'd go for my personal favorite .049 model glow-head, which measures 3/4" in diameter... and would be instantly recognizable by any Cox engine enthusiast. An accurate "mock-up" by a jeweler should probably omit the bottom "threaded" portion... for a nice neat "flush with the cuff" appearance.

What you see in this pic, is how it would look on his shirts 'cuffs... the "penny" in the foreground is for scale. An .020 glow-head is smaller; with the .010 being the smallest.

TD .010 Tie Clip - Page 2 Glow-p10

roddie Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:31 pm

a better image...

TD .010 Tie Clip - Page 2 Glow_h10

**Cribbs74** Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:41 pm

.020 would be my pick. As the .010 are a bit too small to see and the .049 may appear a bit large and gawdy.

Just my opinion though. If you like the large or really small then that's ok too.

SuperDave Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:26 am

Hellskells wrote:Well you certainly are a creative bunch...

No extra body holes to make use of and the usual set is probably best left alone as far as engine parts go.

Leaning towards cuff links. Opinions on which model glow head would be the best to use are more than welcome.

I'm happy you recognize ouur creativity! lol!

To the uninitiated ALL cox glo-heads appear indentical. Go with whatever sytle is most available. Someone here any even DONATE some. (They don't even need to be functional if they're going to made into cuff links)

SD

OVERLORD Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:18 am

As the sleeve end is folded 3 times, a 020 head seems to be to small to keep everything together and it wouldn't catch the eye of the fellow Cox enthousiast. A 049 head would be fine but without using the threaded bit. At least, that is what Lagerfeld thinks.

DETAIL:

Lieven

roddie Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:47 am

This "might" help you... depending on your resources... someone handy with tools, and the knowledge of dis-similar metal joinery, could make a pair for you. Actual glow-head bodies are made of aluminum... I'm not sure if it's possible to weld/braze a stainless-steel cuff-link back/setting, into an aluminum glow-plug. These "blanks" have 4mm "pins"... so; one way of attachment (after removing the plug's threads) is to "enlarge" the hole in the bottom (where the element/coil is visible) by drilling a (#21 drill/.159" dia.) SHALLOW hole, to accept the 4mm (.1575" dia.) cuff-link pin. Then join the pcs. by welding/brazing if possible... if not possible; epoxy glue might work... If "gold-plating" is desired, have it done BEFORE joining the pieces.

http://www.cuffcrazy.com/10-x-diy-silver-stainless-steel-round-tube-4mm-cufflink-back-setting

As you can see by the above page link... the "pin-style blanks" cost about $1.60 ea... (x10/$15.99)... There are other style ("disc-type") blanks as well, which may be an easier option; by merely joining the pieces with epoxy glue. A pair of "new" glow-plugs cost between $20/$25 plus shipping... The "labor" involved... as I mentioned, depends on your resources.

I'm just trying to point out; that these need-not be an expensive thing to have made... and please accept my apologies if this was TMI Smile

SuperDave Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:55 am

Lieven: Those are pretty nasty "tool marks" showing on cuff link. A better example would be more appropriate methinks. Smile

SD

roddie Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:59 am

I definitely agree with "Lieven" on choosing the .049 model glow-head as a "size" reference if you're having a jeweler design a pair. As a matter of fact... I wouldn't be surprised if upon receipt of them; that your fiancé rips the cuff-buttons off every L/S dress shirt he owns, to display them!..... I would! Laughing

OVERLORD Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:15 pm

roddie wrote:This "might" help you... depending on your resources... someone handy with tools, and the knowledge of dis-similar metal joinery, could make a pair for you. Actual glow-head bodies are made of aluminum... I'm not sure if it's possible to weld/braze a stainless-steel cuff-link back/setting, into an aluminum glow-plug. These "blanks" have 4mm "pins"... so; one way of attachment (after removing the plug's threads) is to "enlarge" the hole in the bottom (where the element/coil is visible) by drilling a (#21 drill/.159" dia.) SHALLOW hole, to accept the 4mm (.1575" dia.) cuff-link pin. Then join the pcs. by welding/brazing if possible... if not possible; epoxy glue might work... If "gold-plating" is desired, have it done BEFORE joining the pieces.

http://www.cuffcrazy.com/10-x-diy-silver-stainless-steel-round-tube-4mm-cufflink-back-setting

As you can see by the above page link... the "pin-style blanks" cost about $1.60 ea... (x10/$15.99)... There are other style ("disc-type") blanks as well, which may be an easier option; by merely joining the pieces with epoxy glue. A pair of "new" glow-plugs cost between $20/$25 plus shipping... The "labor" involved... as I mentioned, depends on your resources.

I'm just trying to point out; that these need-not be an expensive thing to have made... and please accept my apologies if this was TMI

A good lathe hobbyist - like Ian - could easily copy a 049 glowhead in brass. I personally would nickel plate it. That gives such a nice yellowish shine instead of the "cold" chrome.

Ian, why don't you make a prototype ?

I know Superdave, but before photographing a better example, you first have to have one!

roddie Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:43 pm

you guys all want a pair now..... don't you? Cool

seriously... I'm gonna' test my "used-plug" stock, to see if I have any bad ones that aren't nicked... Screw it into a cylinder and Dremel-buff it clean. Remove it's threads by screwing it partially into a worn-out cylinder, clamp in a vise and use a dremel cut-off wheel, while rotating the head with a Cox wrench. Use a file/sanding block to smooth it down to the fin.

A "real" glow-head would be my 1st choice... and Nickel plating I agree would be nice.

(edit) Any "Hobbyist" could make a pair (less plating) for around $25 (cost of x2 stud-links and x2 new .049 glow-heads)

SuperDave Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:02 pm

Roddie:

Sorry! I haven't worn cuff links since middle of the last century when I also wore a grey flannel suit, a pink shirt, white bucks and a black tie. sunny

SD

ian1954 Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:05 pm

OVERLORD wrote:
roddie wrote:This "might" help you... depending on your resources... someone handy with tools, and the knowledge of dis-similar metal joinery, could make a pair for you. Actual glow-head bodies are made of aluminum... I'm not sure if it's possible to weld/braze a stainless-steel cuff-link back/setting, into an aluminum glow-plug. These "blanks" have 4mm "pins"... so; one way of attachment (after removing the plug's threads) is to "enlarge" the hole in the bottom (where the element/coil is visible) by drilling a (#21 drill/.159" dia.) SHALLOW hole, to accept the 4mm (.1575" dia.) cuff-link pin. Then join the pcs. by welding/brazing if possible... if not possible; epoxy glue might work... If "gold-plating" is desired, have it done BEFORE joining the pieces.

http://www.cuffcrazy.com/10-x-diy-silver-stainless-steel-round-tube-4mm-cufflink-back-setting

As you can see by the above page link... the "pin-style blanks" cost about $1.60 ea... (x10/$15.99)... There are other style ("disc-type") blanks as well, which may be an easier option; by merely joining the pieces with epoxy glue. A pair of "new" glow-plugs cost between $20/$25 plus shipping... The "labor" involved... as I mentioned, depends on your resources.

I'm just trying to point out; that these need-not be an expensive thing to have made... and please accept my apologies if this was TMI
A good lathe hobbyist - like Ian - could easily copy a 049 glowhead in brass. I personally would nickel plate it. That gives such a nice yellowish shine instead of the "cold" chrome.

Ian, why don't you make a prototype ?

I know Superdave, but before photographing a better example, you first have to have one!

Cufflinks are now on my list of things.

Just finished earrings!

dckrsn Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:27 pm

Ha, funny enough, back in the late 70's I bought 2
Cox .010 pistons for my girlfriend to wear as earings.
She loved them. We were into the punk/new wave thing in L.A.
Those were the days, when parts like that were readily available.
Bob

ZACATTACK Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:05 am

PM Sent!!

Lew

Hellskells Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:29 pm

roddie wrote:This "might" help you... depending on your resources... someone handy with tools, and the knowledge of dis-similar metal joinery, could make a pair for you. Actual glow-head bodies are made of aluminum... I'm not sure if it's possible to weld/braze a stainless-steel cuff-link back/setting, into an aluminum glow-plug. These "blanks" have 4mm "pins"... so; one way of attachment (after removing the plug's threads) is to "enlarge" the hole in the bottom (where the element/coil is visible) by drilling a (#21 drill/.159" dia.) SHALLOW hole, to accept the 4mm (.1575" dia.) cuff-link pin. Then join the pcs. by welding/brazing if possible... if not possible; epoxy glue might work... If "gold-plating" is desired, have it done BEFORE joining the pieces.

http://www.cuffcrazy.com/10-x-diy-silver-stainless-steel-round-tube-4mm-cufflink-back-setting

As you can see by the above page link... the "pin-style blanks" cost about $1.60 ea... (x10/$15.99)... There are other style ("disc-type") blanks as well, which may be an easier option; by merely joining the pieces with epoxy glue. A pair of "new" glow-plugs cost between $20/$25 plus shipping... The "labor" involved... as I mentioned, depends on your resources.

I'm just trying to point out; that these need-not be an expensive thing to have made... and please accept my apologies if this was TMI

No not too much info very useful in fact.

Has anyone cracked the prototype yet? Seems you could make some cash selling on here.

Kim Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:43 am

Like an as-yet untapped vein of gold !!!!

SuperDave Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:57 am

Possibly but the marketing potential would need to be evaluated before the investment in making them is made.

Anyone?

SD

**Cribbs74** Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:28 am

We are really just talking a clip and a prop spacer. I really doubt a remake would appeal to a collector, not to mention who would actually wear a .010 around on thier tie? They are more valuable then they used to be.

It would be a very small market.

Of course if you were talking about glowhead cuff links then forget what I just said!

Ron

Kim Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:41 am

Kim wrote:Like an as-yet untapped vein of gold !!!!

I was going for supportive humor...durn lack of emoticons....

dinsdale Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:25 am

Similar, but different: I've made several necklace trinkets out of old glow plugs. I silver-solder a small silver ring onto the top and polish up the whole thing to a high finish. Because they look like miniature spark plugs they're a big hit with "petrol heads".

ZACATTACK Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:50 am

To a Cox builder/flyer/collector who is knowledgeable, appreciative and has studied the history of Leroy M Cox, this .010 Cox Tie-Clip would make the ultimate gift!! This original Cox .010 Tie-Clip is a truly cherished, rare piece of Cox History that rounds out a Cox collection perfectly, adding pizzazz and hint of authenticity to the collection like no other item distributed from Cox. I love my Cox Tie-Clip in the box and on my tie. I will Add This fact: If you wear this Cox Tie Clip to a wedding/dance, your guaranteed compliments all night long and makes for a great conversation piece.... worth every penny I paid for it!! Very Happy

SuperDave Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:47 am

There is absolutely no accounting for individual tastes nor should there be.

I've always believed in pursueing my passions so I'm a very happy old man.

SD

ZACATTACK Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:33 pm

Super Dave....Were talking about a simple collectable item here manufactured in 1962 by Leroy Cox. Whatever your commenting on and trying to say with all those words makes absolutely no sense to me. You don't wear ties, you have better things to spend your money on and you pursue your passions in life to bring you great happiness. What does all that have to do with a rare collectible Cox item? This discussion is not only making no sense, people are starting to get delirious in conversation. Time to close the thread me thinks!!

bullit132 Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:09 pm

wow, zac are you having a bad day? Very Happy

Mark Boesen Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:28 pm

ZACATTACK wrote:To a Cox builder/flyer/collector who is knowledgeable, appreciative and has studied the history of Leroy M Cox, this .010 Cox Tie-Clip would make the ultimate gift!! This original Cox .010 Tie-Clip is a truly cherished, rare piece of Cox History that rounds out a Cox collection perfectly, adding pizzazz and hint of authenticity to the collection like no other item distributed from Cox. I love my Cox Tie-Clip in the box and on my tie. I will Add This fact: If you wear this Cox Tie Clip to a wedding/dance, your guaranteed compliments all night long and makes for a great conversation piece.... worth every penny I paid for it!!

Fyi, I am a Cox builder/flyer/collector who is knowledgeable, appreciative and has studied the history of Leroy M Cox...as well as other 1/2a manufactures, in fact i consider myself one of the more knowledgeable experts in the country. There's no way in hell i'd be caught dead wearing such a thing!

Zac,

I've studied and gathered info on these little engine for far longer then I probably should have and like I said previously, I do consider myself one of the more knowledgeable experts in the country, no as a boast but as fact.
I probably shouldn't of comment so negatively on you're post and I apologize. I guess it was in retaliation of sorts to your reply to SD (I posted the negative feedback) that and the thought of someone wearing a .010 to a wedding or dance just cracks me up, but hey, that's me. Whatever floats your boat.

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