Re: Cox International wish list

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:28 pm

PV Pilot wrote:Absolutely.

yes another reliable option for small engines would be greatly apreciated.

microflitedude Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:31 pm

What about recreating some of the plastic models like the PT-19 and then shipping it with a product engine? Might not be practical nowadays, but would be neat.

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:33 pm

microflitedude wrote:What about recreating some of the plastic models like the PT-19 and then shipping it with a product engine? Might not be practical nowadays, but would be neat.

But if backplate molds are expensive imagine the cost of plane molds. Yikes!!!!!

microflitedude Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:41 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:What about recreating some of the plastic models like the PT-19 and then shipping it with a product engine? Might not be practical nowadays, but would be neat.

But if backplate molds are expensive imagine the cost of plane molds. Yikes!!!!!

Would it be possible to relocate some of the old moulds? What happened to them all?

ideeman1994 Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:40 am

I've heard from the RC Universe forum (maybe from Cox International, I can't really tell anymore) that there was going to be entirely new Tee Dees .049 soon... Does anyone have news on this?

I also wonder if somebody reprints those cardboard boxes, with their inserts... I have lots of "orphan" engines, it would be great to have them exposed in a box...

I tried to reprint them myself, but it's not what I'm expecting:

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Cox International wish list - Page 4 Dsc02914

Cox International wish list - Page 4 Dsc02915

I also tried with a .010 Tee Dee insert, looks better, but I'm unable to get that "glossy" finish original ones have

Cox International wish list - Page 4 Dsc02916

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:05 am

ideeman1994 wrote:I've heard from the RC Universe forum (maybe from Cox International, I can't really tell anymore) that there was going to be entirely new Tee Dees .049 soon... Does anyone have news on this?

I also wonder if somebody reprints those cardboard boxes, with their inserts... I have lots of "orphan" engines, it would be great to have them exposed in a box...

I tried to reprint them myself, but it's not what I'm expecting:

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I also tried with a .010 Tee Dee insert, looks better, but I'm unable to get that "glossy" finish original ones have

Yes we were talking about that because they might sell better than .010 or .020s I think they were going to have a slightly different design and be unboxed but you'll have to talk to Matt or Bernie.

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:08 am

microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:What about recreating some of the plastic models like the PT-19 and then shipping it with a product engine? Might not be practical nowadays, but would be neat.

But if backplate molds are expensive imagine the cost of plane molds. Yikes!!!!!

Would it be possible to relocate some of the old moulds? What happened to them all?

I think Estes destroyed them.

EXModelEngines Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:06 am

There was a guy a while back that made some pretty good reproduction boxes. I am not sure who he was though.

The TD 049 is still a way off (if it ever was to happen) in my opinion.

Yeah, Estes had the nasty habit of destroying good merchandise/tooling/molds.

Matt

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:08 am

EXModelEngines wrote:There was a guy a while back that made some pretty good reproduction boxes. I am not sure who he was though.

The TD 049 is still a way off (if it ever was to happen) in my opinion.

Yeah, Estes had the nasty habit of destroying good merchandise/tooling/molds.

Matt

OK i know that there was a guy that Arne Hende hired to make boxes for his diesels and there was also a guy who made some reproduction cox and other brand boxes in the UK i'll se if i can find him.

microflitedude Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:30 am

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:What about recreating some of the plastic models like the PT-19 and then shipping it with a product engine? Might not be practical nowadays, but would be neat.

But if backplate molds are expensive imagine the cost of plane molds. Yikes!!!!!

Would it be possible to relocate some of the old moulds? What happened to them all?

I think Estes destroyed them.

Damn....

PV Pilot Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:38 am

It's so hard to believe that Estes rocket, that some of us loved to build and fly (me included) could be so ignorant to the fact of that they had a good thing going with the aquisition of Cox engines, could just turn like jekyl and hyde, and do some really stupid stuff. Amazing. Money makes you do crazy things.

microflitedude Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:42 am

PV Pilot wrote:It's so hard to believe that Estes rocket, that some of us loved to build and fly (me included) could be so ignorant to the fact of that they had a good thing going with the aquisition of Cox engines, could just turn like jekyl and hyde, and do some really stupid stuff. Amazing. Money makes you do crazy things

Couldn't have said it better. Don't think anybody could.

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:28 am

microflitedude wrote:
PV Pilot wrote:It's so hard to believe that Estes rocket, that some of us loved to build and fly (me included) could be so ignorant to the fact of that they had a good thing going with the aquisition of Cox engines, could just turn like jekyl and hyde, and do some really stupid stuff. Amazing. Money makes you do crazy things

Couldn't have said it better. Don't think anybody could.

I think They realised what they where doing wrong after ruining cox

Cox International Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:31 pm

We did ask the OEM Cox moulder what it would cost to make the mould for all the PT 19 plastic parts. $120,000.00 was the answer. In other words forgetaboutit lol!

Bernie

SuperDave Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Sentimentality aside, the Cox PT-19 was a marginal flyer at best and has been FAR eclipsed by modern kit aircraft as to performance.

I've never seen a plastic Cox PT-19 fly inverted. Have you?

(silence prevails) Surprised

**Admin** Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:52 pm

If I win the lottery and it is in the hundreds of millions, I would be more then happy to help that out! I think the company has to be slowly brought back to life just like it was created. The problem I see is everything is scattered out, moulds, machinery, the company itself is owned by Hobbico, much of the original tooling is broken or ruined....

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:15 pm

SuperDave wrote:Sentimentality aside, the Cox PT-19 was a marginal flyer at best and has been FAR eclipsed by modern kit aircraft as to performance.

I've never seen a plastic Cox PT-19 fly inverted. Have you?

(silence prevails)

No but it was an rtf package and the rubber band construction made it very resilient How many guys here learned on one?
So it would be a good way of getting new generations who are used To rtf and artf into CL and cox engines.
Without them having to build something of they don't want to. ( I love building but for some reason some folks don

)

nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:18 pm

Admin wrote:If I win the lottery and it is in the hundreds of millions, I would be more then happy to help that out! I think the company has to be slowly brought back to life just like it was created. The problem I see is everything is scattered out, moulds, machinery, the company itself is owned by Hobbico, much of the original tooling is broken or ruined....

Same goes if I win I'll get the tee dee .010 made again but up to the original LM cox mfg standard. But wait I don't buy lotto tickets Sad

I'd beet start this weeks euromillions jack pot is like 170million or something. Smile

Mark Boesen Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:48 pm

As a kid, the PT-19 was my third plastic 'RTF' and was the first one I'd fly successfully, at age 12 it launched me into a lifetime obsession!

I've often thought how well a PT-19 'Kit' (minus engine) would do, sold direct, customer would trim Christmas tree & plastic flash. Shipped in a basic cardboard box?

SuperDave Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:12 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:

I've often thought how well a PT-19 'Kit' (minus engine) would do, sold direct, customer would trim Christmas tree & plastic flash. Shipped in a basic cardboard box?

I'd suspect not very well as young kids today are drawn to other things than model aviation.

It's actually the older element (50 +) that keeps the hobby going. More's the pity.

microflitedude Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:17 pm

Cox International wrote:We did ask the OEM Cox moulder what it would cost to make the mould for all the PT 19 plastic parts. $120,000.00 was the answer. In other words forgetaboutit

Bernie

I have yet to understand moulding.

nitroairplane Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:31 am

microflitedude wrote:
Cox International wrote:We did ask the OEM Cox moulder what it would cost to make the mould for all the PT 19 plastic parts. $120,000.00 was the answer. In other words forgetaboutit

Bernie

I have yet to understand moulding.

But you know what it is right?
It is where the melted liquid is poured into a casting or mold of it and then left to set so when it is taking out it is of the desired shape.
Sorry that was a terrible explanation.

microflitedude Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:18 am

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
Cox International wrote:We did ask the OEM Cox moulder what it would cost to make the mould for all the PT 19 plastic parts. $120,000.00 was the answer. In other words forgetaboutit

Bernie

I have yet to understand moulding.

But you know what it is right?
It is where the melted liquid is poured into a casting or mold of it and then left to set so when it is taking out it is of the desired shape.
Sorry that was a terrible explanation.

Oh I know what it is and how it works, but the pricing system is what confuses me.

shell shock Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:24 am

@MFD

The upfront cost of designing, making and cleaning the mould is high. For plastic, Metal alloy is used. To do any production for consumers, you are now looking at an injection moulding machine. The estimates at $120,000.00 are a bit high. In my college we built an injection moulding machine. Fully automated for around $20,000 (humber college ftw) and we cnced our own mould. Im sure this cost could be reduced by finding machinery that has been taken off the line.

Just my 2cc as an engineering student
SS

microflitedude Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:21 am

shell shock wrote:@MFD

The upfront cost of designing, making and cleaning the mould is high. For plastic, Metal alloy is used. To do any production for consumers, you are now looking at an injection moulding machine. The estimates at $120,000.00 are a bit high. In my college we built an injection moulding machine. Fully automated for around $20,000 (humber college ftw) and we cnced our own mould. Im sure this cost could be reduced by finding machinery that has been taken off the line.

Just my 2cc as an engineering student
SS

Thanks. Just can't believe all the originals were lost....

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