Re: Cox International wish list

microflitedude Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:31 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

How many would buy them is the question... Huh...

nitroairplane Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:32 pm

microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

How man would buy them is the question...

I'm sure most of us would i definately would.

microflitedude Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:33 pm

microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

How many would buy them is the question...

Yeah, if the person I bought mine from decides to ship it anytime soon I might. Mad

Be neat to get longer runtimes on RC models.

nitroairplane Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:37 pm

microflitedude wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

How many would buy them is the question...

Yeah, if the person I bought mine from decides to ship it anytime soon I might. Be neat to get longer runtimes on RC models.

Yeah an you would be able to run back pressure if you wanted.

EXModelEngines Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:06 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

The mold would be really expensive to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

microflitedude Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:17 pm

EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

The mold would be really expensive to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

nitroairplane Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:19 pm

microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09!

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

The mold would be really expensi

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

microflitedude Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:13 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09! The mold would be really expensive

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

$65 would be an awesome price. Makes begin to wonder about the .010.... sunny

PV Pilot Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:49 pm

That initial investment to get the first batch out the door would be huge,,gotta have that customer base to sell them all right off the bat.

But, what the heck, I'll throw my pipe dream out there.
a .080 King Bee,,front rotary induction, rc carb, ball bearing crank,,a real screamer.

I know,i know,,with all your over abundace of production money and endless time availible. Lol.

EXModelEngines Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:25 pm

For the mold, who knows, depending upon how many cavities, ect. A safe bet would be about 15K or so....maybe more depending upon the cavities.

Engine parts would be pricey as well. Cox used a custom extrusion for the bar stock crankcases then it was machined to spec.

For a run of 1000 pieces your probably looking at a $30 to $40 part cost alone, putting retail around $90 or $100.

Although it is slim, there is a much better chance of seeing TD 049's reproduced.

Matt

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:37 am

microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09! The mold would be really expensive

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

I think it would be more up at 80 but I was talking to Matt about .010s a while back bit it doent look like it's going to happen buy I've been wondering about them since they stopped being produced.

As I like experimenting but don't Luke risking ireplacable parts.
Imagine a gas .010
Hopefully soon you'll see a diesel one from me but don't count on it anytime soon.

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

$65 would be an awesome price. Makes begin to wonder about the .010....

EXModelEngines Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:20 am

Not a terrible retail, but $40,000 is a lot of cash to invest for a engine that may not sell enough to make it profitable.

Matt

SuperDave Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:11 am

Matt:

I so totally agree with your position and only remind others that this is a BUSINESS proposition and not a hobby for you. How can it be otherwise?

To venture ANY amount of money in uncertain and potentially volitite times is a very uncertain venture.

What's not to understand?

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:14 am

EXModelEngines wrote:Not a terrible retail, but $40,000 is a lot of cash to invest for a engine that may not sell enough to make it profitable.

Matt

Yeah I totally understand that.
Ahhh pipe dreams.......

microflitedude Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:14 am

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09! The mold would be really expensive

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

EDIT* It's Mr. Reginald Luycx

I think it would be more up at 80 but I was talking to Matt about .010s a while back bit it doent look like it's going to happen buy I've been wondering about them since they stopped being produced.

As I like experimenting but don't Luke risking ireplacable parts.
Imagine a gas .010
Hopefully soon you'll see a diesel one from me but don't count on it anytime soon.

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

$65 would be an awesome price. Makes begin to wonder about the .010....

Can't remember the mane of the man who did it, but he did a Cox .010 four stroke conversion.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18496885&postcount=295

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:26 am

microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09! The mold would be really expensive

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

Lol Matt we are actually talking about that on here in another thread it was Reginald Luycx and was actually a tee dee .020.

EDIT* It's Mr. Reginald Luycx

I think it would be more up at 80 but I was talking to Matt about .010s a while back bit it doent look like it's going to happen buy I've been wondering about them since they stopped being produced.

As I like experimenting but don't Luke risking ireplacable parts.
Imagine a gas .010
Hopefully soon you'll see a diesel one from me but don't count on it anytime soon.

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

$65 would be an awesome price. Makes begin to wonder about the .010....

Can't remember the mane of the man who did it, but he did a Cox .010 four stroke conversion.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18496885&postcount=295

PV Pilot Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:49 pm

EXModelEngines wrote:Not a terrible retail, but $40,000 is a lot of cash to invest for a engine that may not sell enough to make it profitable.

Matt

That's what I was getting at. You either do it for love or money, the latter usually not being the case, and if you expect that, your dreams can be short lived in this time period.

You would have to do a sign up, initial non-returnable, prepay type of deal, just to make sure you would have a roof over and a can of beans left over on the shelf.

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:23 pm

PV Pilot wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:Not a terrible retail, but $40,000 is a lot of cash to invest for a engine that may not sell enough to make it profitable.

Matt

That's what I was getting at. You either do it for love or money, the latter usually not being the case, and if you expect that, your dreams can be short lived in this time period.

You would have to do a sign up, initial non-returnable, prepay type of deal, just to make sure you would have a roof over and a can of beans left over on the shelf.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:24 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
tubebass wrote:I'd like to see a sure-start style backplate for the Pee Wee .020.

Estes were actually prototyping that but it must have been a lack of funds or interest that stopped it.

Yep, as well as a 'production' 09! The mold would be really expensive

Matt

Really, that is interesting.Would the .020 product backplates be very expensive to produce?

Lol Matt we are actually talking about that on here in another thread it was Reginald Luycx and was actually a tee dee .020.

EDIT* It's Mr. Reginald Luycx

I think it would be more up at 80 but I was talking to Matt about .010s a while back bit it doent look like it's going to happen buy I've been wondering about them since they stopped being produced.

As I like experimenting but don't Luke risking ireplacable parts.
Imagine a gas .010
Hopefully soon you'll see a diesel one from me but don't count on it anytime soon.

ve to get made. Then you would have to get the rest of the parts for the 020 made lol.

Matt

The whole thing would be nice, (to have the .020 in production again) do you have a ballpark estimate on pricing? I think we were just interested in the backplate, though.

I am not Matt but I would put prices at around $80 for the complete engine or maybe down to $65 but realisticall 80 sounds about right once production,mold and CNC costs are factored in.

$65 would be an awesome price. Makes begin to wonder about the .010....

Can't remember the mane of the man who did it, but he did a Cox .010 four stroke conversion.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18496885&postcount=295

EXModelEngines Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:25 pm

Thats an idea! Anyone want to be an 'investor' lol

Matt

PV Pilot Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:49 pm

EXModelEngines wrote:Thats an idea! Anyone want to be an 'investor' lol

Matt

It's been done before, heck, I have even gone in on deals like that. albeit they were small pieces, but it did work out.

400 x $100 per = $40,000.

Find 400 happy and willing people. Huh...

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:53 pm

PV Pilot wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:Thats an idea! Anyone want to be an 'investor' lol

Matt

It's been done before, heck, I have even gone in on deals like that. albeit they were small pieces, but it did work out.

400 x $100 per = $40,000.

Find 400 happy and willing people.

And shipping.
But i think we can get 400 to buy it.

PV Pilot Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:17 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
PV Pilot wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:Thats an idea! Anyone want to be an 'investor' lol

Matt

It's been done before, heck, I have even gone in on deals like that. albeit they were small pieces, but it did work out.

400 x $100 per = $40,000.

Find 400 happy and willing people.

And shipping.
But i think we can get 400 to buy it.

Realistically, it might be as high as $150 per,,just all depends on the lowest bidder for the outsourced work. If the price comes in at a slightly lower amount,,then it would be palatable I think.

nitroairplane Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:23 pm

PV Pilot wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:
PV Pilot wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:Thats an idea! Anyone want to be an 'investor' lol

Matt

It's been done before, heck, I have even gone in on deals like that. albeit they were small pieces, but it did work out.

400 x $100 per = $40,000.

Find 400 happy and willing people.

And shipping.
But i think we can get 400 to buy it.

Realistically, it might be as high as $150 per,,just all depends on the lowest bidder for the outsourced work. If the price comes in at a slightly lower amount,,then it would be palatable I think.

I realise but still, it would be nice.

PV Pilot Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:24 pm

Absolutely.

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